[RFC] - Quarterly Redemption Option for Holders

Is the intent of this proposal to give long-term investors an off-ramp in case the direction of the DAO is off trajectory or is it to eliminate the spread which currently exists between market price and backing price?

These two objectives should be isolated:

  1. Quarterly redemptions as a way for long term investors to exit the protocol with some value.

  2. Quarterly redemptions as a way to align market price and backing price.

The debate seems to arbitrarily shift from giving long term holders an off ramp, to frustrations about the steep discount between the Ask and the backing price. Solving for one may contradict the other, and vice versa.

For example, to give long term holders an off ramp, we could require a vesting period be imposed such that arbitrageurs cannot exploit this loophole to drain the treasury. Without arbitrageurs doing their part, the spread would likely remain, at least for the time being.

Make no mistake, if given an incentive to, arbā€™s will drain the treasury. Why? Because they can make a profit. By declaring a quarterly date, it invites arbs to buy just ahead of the redemption date, redeem, dump, rinse repeat. Nothing wrong with that. But to assume otherwise would be foolishly naĆÆve.

What is needed is a vesting period of 60 days (for example). wMEMO would need to be held for at least 60 days before it can be redeemed at the Treasury. Think of it as buying wMEMO with a Put Option attached to it that vests 60 days after you buy. The Put allows the holder to sell their wMEMO to the Treasury at the backing price. It will lead to a bump in price for wMEMO as market participants factor the Put into their valuations. It costs nothing to WL but creates immediate value while preventing ā€˜death by arbitrageā€™.

In either case, we should consider imposing an exit tax on all sellers except those who have held their positions for a minimum of 24 months (or 20 months or 30 month, etcā€¦). The revenue will be distributed to existing wMEMO holders and a small % diverted to the treasury, with an auto-conversion feature that gives wMEMO holders the choice of taking the revenue from the exit tax as additional wMEMO. The tax would sunset based on the length of time the position was held. An investor holding his/her position for say 12 months, would have a smaller tax than someone that held for 1 month. And after 24 months (or 30 months, etcā€¦) the exit tax would be zero.

On the other hand, if we want to let the market resolve the huge spread between backing and the Ask, then we should implement daily redemptions much like mutual funds do. This would be expensive and logistically difficult to do, but it would almost immediately eliminate the spread by allowing arbitrageurs to serve their purpose and wouldnā€™t drain the treasury because the gap would close almost immediately.

As it stands now, this proposal is structurally flawed and should be withdrawn and resubmitted after we incorporate the above suggestions. Otherwise, if it passes as is, it will fail to achieve either of the two objectives and the result will be another blow to WLā€™s viability to continue as a going concern.

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Seems like your main concern is arbitragers Iā€™d once again refer to other protocols offering redemption (SifuVison, price is 20-25% above redemption, why? Confidence in the project and the ability of the TM). Sure right now we are below backing and there is an opportunity for the arb, that wonā€™t be the case after the first redemption. Iā€™m not sure how you think the treasury will get drained.

No to sell taxes
No to lock up periods above 60 days

We want to attract new investors as well as create value by continually increasing the backing price for the remaining holders. Redemptions offer that safety net for new investors.

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Could you please quantify how many new investors and how much money are we planning to raise from them? Is it $1M, $50M, or $500M? It does not make sense if the treasury goes down by $50M to gain only $1M from new investors.

We want to attract new investors as well as create value by continually increasing the backing price for the remaining holders. Redemptions offer that safety net for new investors.

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Iā€™m not saying this proposals main purpose is to attract new investors, in my opinion it will do as a knock on effect.
We donā€™t know how many will redeem, more people redeeming = higher backing everybody staying.

We donā€™t need new investors. We have 200m in the treasury.
Old investors doesnā€™t care about the difference between the backing and market price.
Old investors know what a VC is, know how a VC works.
Old investors want the TM to put the capital in the treasury to work, to make profit. Then share the profit.
Scammers cry about the backing price, and want a piece of the capital of the treasury, not the profits the capital makes.

We made a mistake with RQ and now they are back for more.

We will have new investors when the treasury starts to make profit and starts to share that profit.

Drop the redemption plan and start investing whatā€™s in the treasury.

Why are we trying to develop some form of articificial get out clause? This is a speculative asset, we all knew this when we bought it. Itā€™s clear people support this are those that made a poor investment decision and want to claw back their money and/or future losses.

This will not benefit the treasury nor price. Canā€™t believe this is being considered.

Why the rebase is stuck?

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I think you are lost ser.

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Iā€™m willing to bet my next rebase you didnā€™t read the comment section in which there is alot of smart people brain storming.

I think we have spoken plenty about this topic now for it to progress to WIP.

Wen WIP?

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TMā€™s are not a given - and with those who take fiduciary duty in earnest. Redemptions keeps those things hopefully honest.

Rage quit moved the backing price from 37,000 to 43,000 or higher, with a large share of BSGG going to those who remained.

A smaller treasury may lead to smaller network effect - but there is many other outcomes - for example maybe it is simply better to take all the assets out via redemption, alongside a meme token ā€¦ and deprecate this protocol, while starting a new one via a fork. It has done Luna very well.

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As Sifu pointed out today, this equals a 15% redemption fee imposed on anyone wanting to redeem.

THIS IS TOO HIGH!

Option 1 is a 15% penalty
Option 2 is a 25% penalty

Where is the option for only a 1% redemption fee?

@ghostzero In all fairness, some of this is locked/illiquid: CVX, CTA investment, a small portion of BSGG, etc. 100% or even 99% is not possible IMHO. Also, redeemers will dump BSGG at expense of holders further devaluing the holder investments. More than half the people here voted for something other than option 1 so I need to be fair to everyone and the WIP I will propose will be much more advantageous to redeemers than the previous ā€œrage quitā€ which took at least a 35% fee when all is considered. The WIP Iā€™ve written (published soon) will preserve the rev share farm and be advantageous for all partiesā€”holders and redeemers.

I admire your commitment and dedication. Looking forward to your new proposal.

I understand you are trying to please everyone that is yelling at you. However, it is not your job to write the proposal you think should be done. your job is to write a proposal that everyone can vote on and express how they feel in a vote. If you frame the vote in favor of your preference, you do not allow for others to vote the way they feel.

Topics has been moved to WIP.

https://dao.wonderland.money/t/wip-9-quarterly-redemption-option-for-holders/18297