I think Sifus history with Wonderland speaks for itself. He should never have been ejected. It was a rushed emotional decision. I am 100% behind him returning
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I am conflicted, but my vote isnāt the most important. I am not whale, nor frog, but krill.
But I do believe in second chances. And the boy knows how to make money.
I came for the money.
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Is DeFi so cursed with a paucity of talent that this is actually under consideration? Maybeā¦ even so, I canāt support Sifu in a active leadership role in Wonderland.
As if bringing back Sifu will be all rainbows and sunshine. If this happens it will rain s**t down on Wonderland - every moment of his life will be investigated, every questionable decision or action and new information will gleefully come out, new innuendo whether true or twisted and false.
You think the Sifu-scandals will end? That all the bad info about Sifu has come to light?
This time Wonderland will own it, as actively hired him, knowing his past. Tainted. A laughing stock.
This proposal PR piece sounds like Sifu was some innocent bystander whilst bad, illegal and immoral things just kept happening around him for 20 years. Poor helpless Sifu. Yet making off with a 9 fig bank. Oops. What a lucky fellow.
Whether Sifu is actually 100% innocent or something darker is unknown to me, but I know this stink will follow him around the rest of his life. Think Prince Andrew.
Look, Iām a pragmatist and I like talented people, second chances and underdog stories, and Iād probably like Sifu.
But Sifu is not an underdog and fundamental character should underpin this decision. To me, Wonderland has to be 100% squeaky clean, 100% transparent and above reproach going forward. Sifu-in will impact Wonderlandās ability to attract other new and necessary talent to professionalize the management /ops and build a powerhouse investment platform it can become in the years ahead. Short sighted.
In my humble opinion, Sifu should never hold executive leadership position in any financial intuition (inc DeFi) ever again.
That does not mean he should not be an outside advisor, guide, counsellor behind the scenes or be an investor. How that would work with Wonderland, I do not know.
That also does not mean he cannot rehabilitate his reputation somewhat by charitable works, helping others etc and rejoin in some capacity in years ahead, but his outting JUST happened.
Personally I think setting up a foundation that actually does good works should be Sifuās focus for the next couple of years, along with funding new projects, continually building new character witnesses and rebuilding reputation in the space.
Lastly for those who are Pro -āSifu back in Wonderlandā: Why is this a binary Sifu in/out question and not a Sifu in vs option 2, option 3, option 4.
What are the skillsets, experience, background of similarly positioned people? Surely there are other talented people, who come without the baggage?
Thatās my 2 cents.
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Fuck yeah! bring back sifu, When he was around shit was happening, nothing happens around here anymore.
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is this all you have to say? because if it is, youāve said it enough times.
2 problems with time and performance dissolving perception problems:
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It will be very difficult to get access again to premium deal flow for obvious reasons. If the reasons arenāt obvious, read the thread, itās mentioned a dozen times.
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No CEX that is dollar banked will be able to do business with WL. And those that arenāt dollar banked and willing to do business, I would be wary of.
Regulation is coming.
I cannot be the only one that sees this thread for what it really is. If SIFU is completely disengaged from this discussion, and is not inclined to push it one way or the other, the solution that satisfies all would be to offer him an advisory role without access to the treasury and certainly off the multi-sig. He can accomplish everything and perhaps even more, if his engagement with WL is arms length and above reproach. Because this is the only way WLās image is preserved. As Treasurer, WL and āfrog nationā will go down as a non-event, the masses trying to rise up and getting crushed from the weight of their own stupidity. As an advisor with clear boundaries, he remains 100% capable of doing everything he did as Treasurer, perhaps moreā¦
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I voted yes for him to return, it was the perfect storm, btc plummeted, then all crypto, inc wmemo, then the liquidity liquidations , then people digging up the past trying to point the finger , yes i agree that dani & sifu should have done a bit more disclosure of sifuās past for sure, but if everyone went and done some proper research and found out ALL ! the facts ! { instead of just the FUD} then we wouldnt even be in this spot, what does it says if the ex treasurer investās 10 million of his own money into Wmemo , he should get it back , he done a great job before, and he can get us frogās to great heightās., all the fudsterās should take a hike ! Karmaās a bitch and some day some one will judge you on your past !
again, frogs getting lost in the trees, losing sight of the forestā¦ This isnāt about whether he is guilty or not. Whether he stole or not. Whether he poisoned his partner or not (FOR THE RECORD, THESE ARE ALL UNSUBSTANTIATED BULLSHIT THAT IāM PULLING OUT OF MY ASS).
We cannot, must not, infringe upon the freedom of a start-up to remain nimble, and always in control of its own destiny. To succeed, one must be in control of events. Control the dialogue. Have nothing in the closet that can come out and rip you a new hole. It makes sense that, as frogs, we havenāt yet experienced the thrill of getting in on the ground floor of a start up on its way to becoming a deca-unicorn. To think that itās even possible to make an about face just after ousting a convicted felon, and bring that felon back and hand him the role of fucking Treasurer. Read this last sentence out loud, just so you can hear yourself. If after doing so, itās not blatantly obvious, then you are either a) too ignorant and naive to be considered, or b) you are Sifu himself.
Stop with your futile convincing attempts, man. Putting up 100 posts with scare tactics wont help much with the others here. You want āsqueaky-clean yada yadaā but if nothing happens, nothing moves, nothing whatever, whatās the point. Sifu executes things and we all know that. Very obvious while we are trying to act smart and impose our values and beliefs onto others here for the last 3 weeks, nothing moves. If you like wonderland to stay like this, just a forum where we discuss life philosophies, then up to you.
Admin, just put up the vote already and see the result.
Sifu said he didnt want this to move forward. There wont be a vote.
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owh thatās too bad. I just hope we can get somebody just as efficient or better.
I can provide a list of candidates and we can vet them.
Iād be interested to hear direct response from Sifu concerning the following interview questions:
1.) what is his strategic visions for Wonderland moving forward?
2.) what proposals will he bring forth to grow the treasury, return dividends to shareholders, and increase token prices?
3.) what support structure will he need beneath him to support this growth?
4.) what checks and balances should be put in-place to ensure the integrity of the project, protect token holders in the community, and limit risk of arbitrage etc.?
5.) what are the lessons learned and what would he do differently in hindsight and in the future, given the recent liquidation incidents, and communication issues etc. of the recent past?
No need.
Seafood (
,) ā 02/14/2022
Unfortunately, I have decided not to return to Wonderland and have asked the team to leave the post in General (not move to RFC). I love my supporters and most of this community, but am no longer comfortable working here. Iām very sad to say that we canāt go back to the way things were and I have to give up my baby.
I will always be the co-founder, and will remain active in the background on discord. Am also once again the largest investor, having purchased approx $12mm worth during the past week, still seems undervalued. Thank you all for your support, it has been extremely meaningful for me and will always be remembered
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Fuck no! Canāt believe this was even brought up. Hey I have a idea, letās let Bernie Madoff out of prison and back into his hedge fund? Anyone?
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Bernie died. Unless you wanna go through the trouble of trying to raise the deadā¦ would probably be less idiotic than the proposal. Besides, thatās like realizing the school dance is tomorrow and nobody asked you to go, and then announcing āIām sorry to say, Iāve decided not to attend the dance, I just donāt feel safe, i still love you allā
Im in, welcome back Sifu:)
There is a saying, āOut of the mouths of Babesā, and perhaps youād want to think it means Wonderland should go around an survey seven and eight years olds to find out where, and How, the community should proceed. However, there is a more relatable circumstance: do not ignore the ignorance of those who dare to speak at all
Sifu is out.
No gratitude was paid.
No gratitude might be deserved.
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O.D.M Patryn ~ For Treasury
Sincerely,
Dustin Robert Kengott
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All of us wanted sifu back NOT because we worship him, but he is so far the one who made things happened, simple as that. So many proposals has been tossed around, discussed bla bla but not a single thing has been decided, agreed on whatsoever showing wonderland after rage quit has no future, it seems.
Flagged his post and edited your. Please try to remain respectful. Especially since that past was 18 days old.