Here's how we design out market risk to share a contraturally guaranteed/principal protected ROI on our treasury

If the object of wonderland time is to definitively maximize all our returns on investment whilst intelligently mitigating to zero investors/stakes exposure to market volatility losses.

Then the only REAL way is to design out market risk in the first place. By NOT just being content to merely recreate a block chain version. Of the existing paradigm of market-driven investments just because its only kind of investment strategy most investors are familiar with.

But to instead do what Daniele in a recent pod cast stated he was specifically seeking to do. Which is to NOT try to reinvent the wheel. But to instead recreate a block chain version of what already exists in the financial markets. Which is something I agree with. But need to ask the following critical question to better present how we can actually design out market risk.

As given that in the real-world of wholesale banking. There already exists (all be it conducted off-market). A highly specialised alternative investment strategy to grow wealth and to fund mega projects on a debt-free basis. Why is wonderland time merely reproducing on the block chain a market-driven investment. When a far super non market correlated fixed rate of return can/is (subject to criteria). Able to be achieved in ā€œmanaged buy-sell contractsā€. Where the min of 100m+ is bank-protected from loss. And the non market correlated ROI on that min of 100m is contractually guaranteed by a bank regulated trading platform. That wonderland would be sighing the managed buy-sell contract with for a 40 week contract term. With the contractually guaranteed ROI disbursed weekly/monthly. So given this already exists in the real wholesale banking world. Why do we not smartly underwrite wonderland timeā€™s treasury. By implementing this existing real-world non market correlated ultra high yielding investments strategy.

Instead of merely reproducing on the block chain a digital equivalent of the typical market correlated investment just because itā€™s all that most of us are familier with. Because we have all been conditioned to accept this existing paradigm. That comes with rollercoaster market volatility swings that always hurts someone on the wrong side of that market swing.

So why not instead enter THIS kind of highly specialised wholesale banking transaction. And ditch market-drive ponzi-style investing with all of it attendant issues. Giving wonderland time a true USP, creating a win-win for all participants not just as now the bots and whales.

As the non market correlated ROI in these managed buy-sell contracts. Are contractually guaranteed from 100% per month. Up to 100% per week on a $500m+ principal investment amount. All with full principal protection by an instantly recognisable global top-25 bank .

Such managed buy-sell contracts within their proper legal context have existed since Cr 1947 and were used to rebuild Germany after the second war. And today are off-market use by financially sophisticated institutional investors to fund mega projects debt free/grow wealth.

This year for the very first time in this highly specialised private financial market. A number of trading platforms have started to accept Bitcoin for placement into such transactions.

So wonderland time would still retain ownership of its BTC assets and retain any price rise gains. On top of the ultra high ROI from the managed buy-sell contract. Crucially, the trader uses the applicantā€™s (wounderlandā€™s) BTC merely to trigger. THEIR own billions of dollars in credit lines. That they then use to trade MTNs to thereby generate our/(wounderlandā€™s) ROI.

The implications of this should now be clear. That with wonderlands treasury having already generated well over around 700m already. This would be the most financially efficient way to smartly protect and optimize all participants investment returns. With no longer any need to rely on recruiting FRESH new investors ponzi-style.

As instead, by effectively syndicating the required say 700m+ Hence all participantā€™s could thereby secure fractional ownership in wonderlandā€™s signed managed buy-sell contract. So as wonderlandā€™s returns are contractually guaranteed so are ours. At a fixed rate of return. But more importantly the BTC is still owned by wonderland time. Wonderland could then simply opt to enter larger and larger managed buy-sell contracts with or without any new investors.

So to truly disrupt the existing market-driven investment system. To thereby democratize these non market correlated and bank regulated returns. Resulting in predetermined 1,000s of % to each individual participant. On a sustainable basis. Disbursed weekly/monthly. Then let this community agree to audaciously ditch market-driven investing. And just ask me to help Daniele place my and your treasury capital. Into a wholesale banking scenario such as this.

The ROI described here are not just possible but are the industry norm. Since they are only conducted on a ā€œriskless principalā€ basis. Meaning no buy-sell occurs unless there is a pre- contracted exit buyer e.g. Pension fund. Who has agreed to pay a fixed higher price for the MTN before the transaction begins. So locking in a predetermined guaranteed profit per trade. By repeating these trades back-to-back (say 4 times per week) X 40 weeks per year.

The spread per trade is thereby greatly multiplied. Giving rise to the predictable and so contracted rate of return that is fixed at a min to be achieved. So in this way wonderland time cannot be blown off course by market swings. As these investments are NON MARKET CORRELATED. As the trading contract. Not market volatility guarantees our ROI. So in this way wonderland time is able to finally/truly become THE WHALE via its treasury capital.

So if principal protection and an ultra high contracted rate of return to the many not just the few appeals. Then this is the only game in town. So I ask the community to consider this proposal. As I stand RWA to help Daniele to implemented this before others this space do.

I have 23 yrs experience in this highly specialised area with access to lawyers, bankers, and trading platforms through which such contracts are available. But only for qualified and cooperative applicants. As these transactions are by invitation-only. Achieved by them first passing bank compliance to verify that the applicant is financially qualified to participate. So there is a mandatory bank compliance process involving a proof of funds/Coin + KYC/AML.

There is more I can explain upon request. But there is little point. Unless there is genuine interest expressed from the community. So I leave it with you to let me know your thoughts.

Thank you.

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If you have invested any time into learning who Daniele is you would know he is against and wants nothing to do with KYC, ā€¦ that probably ends that right thereā€¦ not to mention using TIME treasury to essentially continue using the same banking structure that he is openly against and looking to disruptā€¦ just saying. FROG nation. Heā€™s cultivating a community into a movement and that seems to go against ALL of his interviews.


KYC is required for Crypto Exchanges globally like those we all used to acquire crypto to stake in the first place. KYC can be designed out of wounderland time. But these returns can help accelerate the building process.

You are simply siphoning off significant returns only to then then turn around to fund wonderland time and enhance member returns. To ultimately replace those same banks. If e.g. investing with BTC then returns can be earned in BTC. So now you seamlessly deploy BTC back into the Defi space for wonderland timeā€™s own use.

You sleep with the enemy temporarily to siphon off enough BTC to become a whale. Whereupon you have the latitude for wonderland timeā€™s team. To opt to recreate the block chain equivalent of a managed buy-sell contract whatever that is decided to look like.

You me and Daniele are all already using the legacy banking system. So if these insider benefits can be bridged across courtesy of a trading platform to the Defi space. It can greatly accelerate developing a decentralised replacement and so is worth considering.

ok I read it all and couldnt understand a sentence, please stop using so much periods my ape brain cant take it anymore

Ok this time I tried to ignore the ponctuation and I think I understand what you are saying, but it is so far from reality that I cant believe.

Are you proposing that a decentralized crypto project give all its funds to a bank so it can be manage for ā€˜ā€˜profitsā€™ā€™? AND on top of that everyone should do a KYC to be able to participate in the ā€œgainsā€?

Are u out of your mind dude?

Or are u a FED?

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thats why Dani wants to merge with SushiSwap, so it can become THE DEX (Decentrilized EXchange). That dont require KYC and accepts anyone with any amount.

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1: a trading platform is NOT a bank it has assets far in excess of any global top bank you could name. In fact some trading platformā€™s are shareholders in global top banks.

2: a trading platform of which there are only 8 - 12 in the whole world. Operate by design off-market at a much higher level above the worlds global top 50 banks. Since THEY conduct the trading FOR these banks. Meaning that of necessity they have to have credit line assets in the hundreds of billions/trillions with which to conduct such work on behalf of the banks. As this in reality is how banks at wholesale level. Actually create the worlds fiat money out of debt, by banks issuing bank debt obligations (IOUs).

3: I never suggested individuals directly enter any such managed buy-sell contracts themselves via their own individual KYCs. Instead an investment vehicle could represent all members treasury in the form of say BTC. As a smart company whose governance including security token issuance to each member, is built on the block chain. Each token represents members fraction ownership in the underlying trading contract returns. I have access to such smart companies instantly deployable as an investment vehicle.

4: In the case of the the BTC being placed into such a transaction. Below is just one EXAMPLE of a previous BTC transaction that was available.


Trader Can Monetize/Place BTC Into a MBS Contract. Generating ā€¦% + Over 1 Year.

Procedure for Bitcoin trading.

The trading platform is in ā€¦


  1.  Owner does KYC and Wallet screenshot submitted and reviewed.
  2.  After wallet verification, a director from the trading platform will discuss the procedure, then the Trader will call the client.
  3.  A new wallet between platform and Client will be created by the Platform. The BTC to be traded are then moved into the new wallet after which the trade begins.
  4.  The profits will slit 50% to the client, this amount is never the same due to BTC price change. Client will pay Intermediaries separately when they gets paid.
  5.  Trader will speak to client directly prior to trade. The Net proceed of the profit can be paid in either BTC or USD and will be agreed upon between the trader and the Client. Profit returns have nothing to do with market-driven price volatility. Engaging in a managed buy/sell contract utilizing BTC assets is thereby possible, as described here. Enabling you to earn a significantly enhanced ROI, whiles the Owner  retains ownership of their the Bitcoin.

There are other options but most generally require the BTC assets to be placed with a custodian. The above however offers a form self-custody. In which the provided ā€˜trading walletā€™ can in this way have the Client themselves create their own password for it.